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    <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:26:27 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: rolling help</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/10,12962,12965/#msg-12965</link>
      <author>rob</author>
      <description><![CDATA[OK, I'll toss in a couple of thoughts here. Keep in mind it's very hard for anyone to know specifically what's going on with your roll without actually seeing it. So, these are just 'general reaction' and may be WAY off from what you are doing or what you need.

1) Are you SURE your hip snap is solid? Often beginning (and even experienced) paddlers rely an awful lot on the paddle, and have 'lazy hips' (I.E., virtually no effective hip snap). And, it is POSSIBLE that you might do great hip snaps while right-side-up (or working at the edge of a pool or whatever), but 'forget' to do it while actually trying to roll. (What 'drills' are you doing to work on your hip snap?)

2) It is possible that the paddle isn't 'sinking', but that you are actually DRIVING it down. Check the arm position on your  'upper hand' as you are rolling. (If you are doing a full 360' roll, falling in to your left, coming up on the right, your right hand would be the 'bottom' or 'working' hand, your left is the 'upper' or relatively 'static'/non-working hand.) Does your 'non-working' arm stay 'down and in'? That is, that elbow should remain bent, and that hand should remain no 'higher' than between your shoulder and your head. If that arm is extended, the paddle is not 'sinking' . . . you are PUSHING it down!

3) Where is your head while you are rolling? OK, this seems to have nothing DIRECTLY to do with the paddle sinking, but could have everything to do with whether you make your roll. Many paddlers 'lead with their head' (trying to get their head above water too soon), which is one of the best ways to 'kill' a roll. And, if your head is coming up, you end up pushing the paddle further down, trying desperately to make the roll. So . . . check that head position. Keep it down! It helps some folks keep their head down if they think about watching the 'working blade' of the paddle, keeping their eyes on it (literally, if the water is clear enough where you are practicing, and you keep your eyes open, or figuratively if you close your eyes while rolling, or if your practice area is a river like we have here where the water looks like root beer and visibility is measured in inches). I've heard of other paddlers who actually set up by biting the right shoulder of their PFD or shirt (or whatever) to keep their head from coming up.

This latter point really goes to a point about rolling which I like to make to beginning paddlers: &quot;You roll the boat . . . then the boat rolls you!&quot; That is, your hipsnap and paddle action and body action and head position should all work to get the BOAT right-side-up on the water before your head comes out of the water! (&quot;You roll the boat&quot;) Then once the boat is 'up', your follow-through FINISHES the roll by bringing your head (and body) up over your already right-side-up boat (&quot;your boat rolls you&quot;). If you find that you are trying to get your head (and body) up while the boat is still maybe 90' (on its side), then you are failing in a number of the above areas.

Anyway . . . there's a couple of thoughts, FWIW. Good luck!]]></description>
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      <title>Re: rolling help</title>
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      <author>matt</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jon,

Most people who have this trouble do better with a sweep roll than a C-to-C. With a sweep roll, your paddle's at the surface, and you're beginning the roll before your paddle has time to sink.

So practice setting up, pulling the paddle to the surface, sweeping and hipsnapping in one smooth motion.

Keep trying; you'll get it!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:32:49 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>rolling help</title>
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      <author>jonmichaels</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Help - I am just learning the sport of white water. I have been trying to learn my roll. At this point, either CtoC or sweep. The problem I am having is my paddle is always sinking and there in lies the issue.  

I put a paddle float on my blade and I am able to roll every time. It's when I take the paddle float off , I get into setup and roll and then spend to much time trying to get my paddle into the setup position.  My question is: 

Has anyone had this problem and if so, how did they fix it?  My hip snap is rocking otherwise. 

Thanks - not giving up.

Jon]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:15:05 -0400</pubDate>
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