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The Pigeon Runs alot in the off season, the Key to catching it is knowing the right # to call and how to "read" the data that you get. The number is 1-800-899-4435, you want the walters (?) lake level and in-flow. This is posted at 8am every morning. what I was told (and seems to hold true) is when the in-flow is over 400-500 cfs the lake fills up around a foot an hour. If the in-flow is this high or higher and the lake is 1 to 3 ft down then they will release at least some. That said it relates to the weather, summer dry, no rain= no release. Winter, fall or spring and rain is forcast the you are a go. The higher the in-flow the better your chances are. I lived there for over 2 yrs and have been skunked by looking at the take out and saying it runing lets go. They can and will cut it off at anytime, exp. if they see you attempting a moon light run. That has been one of the best things I have done in a boat (raft, wish I was in my Kayak). Hope this helps.