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Rob, an 8000 level is great - below 5000 it gets crappy, below 4 the water is really low. I was on there today with my cousin riding the wave on a two person kayak - it was some funny stuff to see -maybe a first - a guy in a playboat seemed amused when got on the wave and were just sitting there not having to do anything, just lean every once in a while. Going to try to get some video of it