French Broad - 9. Barnard to Hot Springs


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9. Barnard to Hot Springs (Section 9)

Class III-IV
Avg Gradient 24 fpm
Max Gradient 41 fpm

Lori & Dean Geis at Kayakers Ledge


Lori & Dean Geis at Kayakers Ledge

Gauge Information

Name Range Updated Level
FRENCH BROAD RIVER AT MARSHALL, NC 1200 - 20000 cfs 00h36m 2350 cfs (rc= 0.1 )


River Description

Photo: Lori & Dean Geis at Kayaker's Ledge, courtesy of the Monocacy Canoe Club.

The following description is courtesy of The Asheville Area Boating Beta Page (boatingbeta.com). To view it in a new window, click here.

Beth Maczka, Section 9 of the French Broad, NC. Click for larger image. French Broad River, NC
Barnard to Hot Springs
(Section 9)


Class

Flow

 Gauge

III (IV-)

700 cfs (minimum to TO @ Stackhouse)Â

 The gauge closest to the put-in is the French Broad at Marshall. This gauge is not available on the TVA's flow line (800-238-2264) or flow page (TVA Streamflows), though the French Broad at Asheville and the French Broad at Newport are.  The level on the Marshall gauge is usually about half way between the levels on the Asheville and Newport gauges, unless there has been a big rain upstream whose waters have only just begun to move down the river.

III (IV-)

1,200 cfs (minimum to TO @ Hot Springs)Â

III+ (2@IV)

3,500+ cfs

Character: Cruising, with good play and surfing at higher levels
Scenery: Pretty, in a wide, forested canyon with only occasional obvious signs of developmentÂ
Distance from Downtown Asheville (to take-out): 43 minutes
Length: 8.1 miles (4.1 to alternate take-out at Stackhouse)
Season: Year round (best levels in Spring)
Other sections: French Broad, Biltmore Run (I-II), French Broad, Section 6 (I-II+), French Broad, Section 8 (I-II), many more
Put-in: Barnard, NC
Take-out: Hot Springs, NC
Directions from Asheville (to take-out): 43 minutes. Head north out of Asheville on US 19/23. Take the US 25/70 (Marshall) exit. Follow US 25/70 all the way to the outskirts of Hot Springs (this will require making a left turn to cross the Big Laurel -- if you are a typical paddler you will park after making the turn and check the gauge painted on river left beneath the bridge). Just before crossing the bridge into town, turn right, then left to go under the bridge and upstream to the rafting outpost parking area.

Directions to the alternate take-out at Stackhouse: Head north out of Asheville on US 19/23. Take the US 25/70 (Marshall) exit. Follow US 25/70 19 miles to State Road 1139/1319 (Stackhouse Road). Look for it on your left shortly after you pass USA Raft. Turn left and follow Stackhouse Road downhill all the way to the river.

Shuttle: 20 minutes each way. Retrace your steps back to the "T" intersection after the bridge over the Big Laurel. Turn right with US 25/70 to continue retracing your steps all the way to the State Road 1151 (Barnard Road). Turn right onto Barnard Road and follow it downhill all the way to the river (be alert, there are some twists and turns). The put-in is on river right just upstream of the bridge.
Other access points: Stackhouse, hike into Frank Bell's Rapid, others
Camping: There are camping and lodging opportunities aplenty in Hot Springs. My family and I like the Rocky Bluff USFS Campground (828-622-3202; open the Rocky Bluff file with the free adobe acrobat reader). Open May 1 to October 31, this campground has a short nature trail running alongside Spring Creek. To get there, take NC 209 South three miles out of town, heading toward the put-in for Spring Creek. Campsites cost $8 a night. To learn more, check out Gorp's Rocky Bluff page. Other campgrounds include the Hot Springs Campground, conveniently located on the river and the USFS's Silvermine Group Campground (828-622-3202).

There are many, many rustic bed and breakfasts in Hot Springs. I know several paddlers who have been married at The Duckett House, for example, and another couple who were married on Max Patch but had their reception at the Rock House. The most unique bed and breakfast, however, has to be Elmer Hall's Sunnybank Inn (828-622-7206). Extremely popular with AT through hikers, a stay at Elmer's includes a family-style vegetarian dinner and breakfast and a chance to converse with an extremely eclectic assortment of guests. In a former life Elmer was a Methodist minister at Duke University; his library is extensive. Most find the Sunnybank Inn through word of mouth. Here are some of those words: Google Search on Elmer and the Sunnybank Inn. And for the two of you who are chomping at the bit for pricier accommodations, here are a couple additional Hot Springs lodging options.

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Gradient French Broad Section 9 elevation profile. Copyright Chris Bell. Click for larger image.
 Average: 24 fpm to Hot Springs; 27 to Stackhouse
 By mile: 8.1 or 4.1 miles:
16, 21, 39, 32, 20, 20, 26, 19, 10 fpm over last 0.13 miles
 Maximum: 41 fpm (over 0.97 miles)
 Maximum half Mile: 41 fpm
 Maximum mile: 41 fpm
Guides Â
 Online: American Whitewater's French Broad Section 9 Page
 Print: Bob and David Benner's Carolina Whitewater: A Canoeist's Guide to the Western Carolinas
Maps: Hot Springs Spa's Map to Hot Springs
Photos: NC, SC and TN Rivers & Creeks Gallery
Other: Frank Bell's Rapid is named after one of the pioneers of southeastern whitewater. I'm often asked if we're related, and while he's someone I'd love to be able to claim, to my disappointment we're not. Learn more about this fascinating character by reading reading Gordon Grant's 1993 Obituary for Frank Bell Senior.

Guess how Hot Springs got its name! Consider reserving yourself a tub at the Hot Springs Spa (828-622-7676 or 800-462-0933; see the price list in the preceding link). The most private tubs are numbers 5 & 6. Most paddlers take out at the rafting outpost on river right 1/3 mile upstream, but if you timed it right you could paddle directly to the tubs on river left. Retrieve the bottle of wine from the truck, change out of your river clothes in a changing room, shower, and relax in a hot tub. What could be finer? You can even reserve a massage!

Do a Google Search on Hot Springs and you'll get a lot of interesting hits. I've found the Sherpa Guide to Hot Springs useful, and Hot Spring's history interesting reading. Consider timing a trip to the French Broad to coincide with the annual French Broad River Festival.

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This is a great run for intermediate paddlers. Its greatest challenge for those beginning to build their skills is its width. It is only slightly harder than the Nantahala if one sneaks the two most difficult drops, Kayaker's Ledge (III at all but high levels) and Frank Bell's (IV- at all but high levels). Both are easily sneaked: they occur in the channels on the river right sides of large islands. Run the left sides of the islands and you'll miss them entirely.

Kayaker's Ledge comes at the end of the long, flat, relatively shallow section of the river called Windy Flats. Windy Flats begins below Stackhouse, about the point the railroad tracks cross Big Laurel Creek. The island on whose right side Kayaker's Ledge forms is about 130 steep feet high and occurs at a sharp right hand bend in the river. Scout Kayaker's Ledge before running it -- it creates an obvious horizon line.

The pair of small islands on whose right sides Frank Bell's Rapid forms are located about a half mile below Kayaker's Ledge and about a quarter mile below the last of the series of small islands below the main island at Kayaker's Ledge. There is a great ender spot at the bottom of Frank Bell's, a good enough spot that in the days when enders were king we'd sometimes walk our boats the 2/3rds of a mile up the railroad tracks from the end of the road on the river left side of the river just to do them. If memory serves, 1,000 cfs was the optimum ender level.

Section 9 varies significantly with changes in water level. Many consider levels between 2,000-4,000 cfs on the Marshall gauge the most fun because higher water begins to wash out some of the drops and lower water can lead to a very long paddle through Windy Flats. Although this stretch of river does not have an upper limit, with the increase in power and speed that comes with very high water levels it ceases to be a good intermediate run. Craig Stickney, who has paddled it about as often as anyone the past couple years -- both in a hardboat and as a raft guide -- characterizes the different levels as follows:

Flow Level

Craig's Comments

300-700 cfs Super low Lots of rocks, and even the plants growing on the rocks are visible. Interesting to see once or twice, but not a lot of fun. At 300 cfs some rapids are very interesting just to get through
700-1,300 Low At this level, there are plenty of rocks and the rapids are shallow. Don't bother going below Stackhouse from 1200 cfs down, super scrapy (and even at 1200 cfs everything below there isn't worth the paddle). Sandy Bottoms wave (next to FBRC lunch spot) is nice and wide around 1000-1200 cfs, although rather short in height.
1,300-1,900 Medium Low Good level for folks just learning. The rapids are all there. Eddy lines and surf waves start to get fun, although the Sandy bottoms wave is pretty poor at most of these levels.
1,900-2,500 Medium The rapids start to get fun. Many more surf waves form above 1900 cfs. Big Pillow is a cartwheel spot around 2000 cfs as well.
2,500-3,500 Medium High The river turns much more into wave trains than Rock Gardens. Surf waves abound, although there isn't any eddy service for most. The bright orange/brown water is freakish.
3,500-5,000 High Even whitewater snobs will enjoy the river from here up. Some rapids start to get largish holes, but nothing to really worry about.
5,000+ Yahoo! I've only done it a few times between 5000 cfs and 8000 cfs. Really, Really fun. More like the New in West Virginia. Waves of 6-8 feet. Zero technicality, just miss a couple of holes.

For descriptions of the many runs in the Asheville area less challenging than Section 9 -- including seven on the French Broad -- see Betsy Mayers' Paddling Asheville: 28 Gently Exciting Regional River Trips. This very well done guide for those interested in paddling class I-II in Western North Carolina and East Tennessee includes put-ins, take-outs, directions from Asheville, landmarks by river mile, excellent maps and general comments. For less detailed descriptions of every run on the French Broad from its headwaters near Rosman, NC into Tennessee, see Bob and David Benner's Carolina Whitewater: A Canoeist's Guide to the Western Carolinas.

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Frank Bell Hole

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Surfing French Broad

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Surfing the French Broad

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Surfing Franks Bell

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Katie going airborne

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French Broad River Cleanup

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French Broad River Cleanup

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Combat Roll @ Kayaker's Ledge

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Kayaker's Ledge

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French Broad Section 9

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Playing on French Broad 2

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Playing French Broad

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Flat water on Section 9

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Judith At Pillow Rock Rapid

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Bob Akins at Pillow Rock Rapid

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Pillow Rock Rapid

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Charley Dean at Frank Bells 2

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Charley Dean at Frank Bells

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Kayakers Ledge

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Gauge Information

Gauge Description:

See discussion in the river description below.

Gauge Information

Name Range Updated Level
FRENCH BROAD RIVER AT MARSHALL, NC
usgs-03453500 1200 - 20000 cfs 00h36m 2350 cfs (rc= 0.1 )

RangeWater LevelComment
1200.0000-20000.0000 barely runnable-high runnable

Report - Reports of French Broad 9. Barnard to Hot Springs and related gauges

Reports give the public a chance to report on river conditions throughout the country as well as log the history of a river.

Reports

When River/Gauge Subject Level Reporter
French Broad Section 9 [NC] Pillow Rock Rapid n/a paul podgorski
French Broad Section 9 [NC] Judith At Pillow Rock Rapid n/a paul podgorski
French Broad Sec. 9 [NC] 1400 cfs Foster Lander
French Broad9. Barnard to Hot Springs [NC] French Broad River Cleanup n/a Mark Singleton
French Broad [NC] Katie going airborne 1800 cfs Andy Travis
French Broad [NC] Lori & Dean Geis at Kayakers Ledge n/a Sutton Bacon
161d20h48m nolichucky [NC] Account of 05/30/09 0.00 ft n/a
3y33d11h34m French Broad Sec. 9 [NC] Combat Roll @ Kayaker's Ledge ~1380 cfs David Leachman
3y54d11h34m French Broad [NC] Flat water on Section 9 1200 CFS Ben Williams
3y61d11h34m French Broad [NC] French Broad Section 9 n/a Mark Eldreth
3y85d11h34m French Broad [NC] Playing on French Broad 2 1900cfs Mike Cleary
4y177d11h34m French Broad [NC] Kayakers Ledge n/a paul podgorski
6y117d11h34m French Broad [NC] Surfing French Broad n/a Darrell McPeake
> 10 years French Broad [NC] Frank Bell Hole 1200 cfs Thomas O'Keefe

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User Comments


2009-09-22 10:05:46 (46 days ago)
Sam McLambDetails
Thanks for trying to get some pictures out there today. The river was awesome. I always heard that
Kayaker's Ledge develops a terminal hole above 10k but it had a good seam in the middle at 14k that
we had no problem with. It felt like Iron Ring on the Gauley, complete with a huge hole/wave combo
below. Can anybody verify the terminal hole at 10k, or is this urban legend? Thanks

2009-09-22 07:49:11 (46 days ago)
kent walkerDetails
Gonna try to get some pics of the 15k level today

2008-05-12 06:09:48 (544 days ago)
Playspots at 1200CFS (please add as you find them). Put-in:The eddy line on the large left eddy
below the bridge is nice and deep. Great for squirts, etc. || Big Pillow: Top right eddy has a
great right hand cartwheel spot that is deep and controlled. Top left pourover hole is a semi
violent ender spot that can give ends as well. || Sandy Bottom: Good surfing and big enders off the
top wave. Classic piroutte land. Roll fast. || Frank Bell's: Auto ender off the river right edge of
the bottom left hole. Some lefty cartwheel action as well. || Surprise: Head far left and you'll
find a non-descript slot that is really deep and can give cartwheels, enders, etc . || We couldn't
find anywhere that would give up the double donkey helix blunt matrix, but the takeout can offer
plenty of entertainment too. - Sam Edit

2007-03-28 01:35:07 (956 days ago)
scott SimonDetails
When running shuttle, you need to turn right on to walnut street, NC 1150 in order to reach 1151.
not positive on the name being walnut, but you should be able to find it. Just remember that 1151
isn't right off of the main road and you need to turn right onto another road first.

2006-04-14 14:27:43 (1303 days ago)
Foster LanderDetails
I would disagree with "S-Turn" being a class 3-. It may have class 3 consequenses (though there is
a very long, flat recovery pool afterwords), but it is an easy rapid.

2005-12-22 17:09:50 (1416 days ago)
Foster LanderDetails
As for the Ledges, I would say that the 3rd ledge (the biggest ledge) is the best playspot, but the
other holes are not bad too. I also like the sandy bottoms wave at the bottom of the rapid.

2004-08-17 13:04:36 (1908 days ago)
Clayton BurtonDetails
I wish I had something to read the mileages from, but the rapid itinerary as far as I know
is:

- Beginner's Rapid (Just below the put in railroad tressel) ~ class 2

- the Slide (long rapid, ran on river left, ends in a short, broken ledge) ~ class 2

- the Maze (an even longer rapid) ~ class 2+ or maybe 3-

- Turtle Rock (just below Jump Rock and it's big pool, ran on river left). ~ class 2-2+

- S-turn (Very short but a little tricky. A swim here can result in swimming Big Pillow rapid
which
itself tends to give long swims. Stroke hard for the river left bank if you have an out-of-boat
experience :-) ) ~ class 3-

- Big Pillow / Pillow Rock rapid (scout from the river left bank, shortest scout-trip you'll ever
do. Basically, stick your boat on the beach and stand up. Run the top hole ("Pillowcase") if you
like, or skirt on the right. Avoid the big rock w/ the pillow by going to it's left.) ~ class
3

- fun eddyline / weak surfing spot below Big Pillow

- Swimmer's Rapid (an excellent and Strong eddyline, raft co's have let their folks swim this in
the past but there are rocks in there and it can be a little shallow. A couple hundred years of
flat water is after this where rafters are known to swim) ~ class 1-2-

- Sandy Bottom (Often a big, fun surfing wave! If you flip, roll fast or tuck hard and get ready to
be run thru some meat grinder action. Run on river left. Makes for a great lunch stop. ) ~ class
2+

- the Ledges (about 3 significant ledges w/ what are normally mild holes. Look for good playspots
in here)

- Pinball/Pitstop (Look for Bumper rock in the center of the river. Nice eddy line around both side
of it and usually a small, glassy wave 15 years above it. Run starting far river left for Pinball
rapid (fun!) or run far river right for a milder rapid with nasty undercut potential that looks
really neat.) ~ class 3- for Pinball, 2+ for Pitstop

- Rebar Rapid (look for rebar in the center of the rapid from where a low head dam was years ago
(1920's?). Run left. Watch for big hole at medium/high flows (easily avoidable)) ~ class 2+

- Stackhouse Rapid (plenty of lines here. Watch for rocks.) ~ class 2+-3-

- Stackhouse takeout

- Windy Flats (thousands of miles of shallow, flat water. Class 4.9 for technicality and sheer
endurance needed to get thru this.)

- Kayaker's Ledge/Needle Falls (watch for the Needles on the mountain-island in the center of the
river. Go the right side of the island for Kayaker's Ledge. Scout from river left. I can easily
imagine this being one bad hole to be stuck in a higher levels. Run far right which works out well
if you clear the hole, or down the tongue which almost guarantees a quick run thru the hole, or
boof far left and land in that eddy. You can portage and even paddle back up to the "sneak" on
river left of the mountain-island. I often run this, then portage back up to run the sneak b/c the
sneak's so much fun! Big wave train!) - class 3

- Frank Bell's (now called class 4, I've heard some guide books have it listed as class 5. It's a
big rapid w/ some big holes. Hard to scout too. Run river left for a fun boogie water sneak and
watch out for crazy water below the rapid.) ~ class 4

2002-10-02 20:26:22 (2593 days ago)
Chris GuptillDetails
Just a little note about Kayaker's
Ledge: This rapid becomes terminal
at about 12,000 cfs and up. Also, for
anyone thinking of running it right now,
Kayaker's has what looks like a nasty
strainer about thirty to forty yards below
it in a section called "Lover's Lane".
The strainer is two large, poison ivy
covered trees that block the whole
channel. Just something to keep in
mind. Oh, and Frank's starts to wash
out at higher flows, but if you catch it at
about 10,000 cfs or higher, you'll see
"Seldom Seen", which is a massive
(I've heard as big as twenty feet)
reactionary wave formed by the
meeting of the two currents from either
side of the island. It's about fifteen
yards past the end of Frank's, if you get
a chance to run it this high.

2000-10-17 15:39:53 (3308 days ago)
robert martinDetails
This section contains two substantial rapids. Kayak Ledge(III)and Frank Bell's rapid (IV). Both of
these rapids can be avoided without portaging.
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