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| BLACK RIVER AT WATERTOWN NY | 1000 - 6000 cfs | 01h11m | 3510 cfs (rc= 0.5 ) |
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Safety Warning: Pinning Rock at Knife's Edge Rapid!
The pinning spot, affectionately known as "Molly's Crack," is at the left edge of the second
(last) major hole. Paddlers who don't go far enough left (i.e., close enough to the first hole)
risk getting swept into the pin. As of June 2007, at least six kayaks have been stuffed into this
dangerous spot. Be careful here! Scout this rapid carefully; preferably, run it with
someone who's familiar with it. Click here for a
photo.
Driving Directions
To putin: Take Interstate 81 North. Exit on Rte. 12-F, heading East toward
Watertown.
Near the center of the town, take a Left at the lights onto City Center Drive.
Soon after that, hang a Left onto Whitewater Way.
Park at the parking lot there, and play at Hole Brothers.
(Or you can walk up to the rafting shop, head through the gate, put in there, and get one more
rapid with a couple of play waves...and then play at Hole Bros.)
To takeout: Head out to Rte. 12-F, heading Right (back toward Rte. 81).
After about three miles or so, bang a Right onto Rte. 12-E, toward Brownville.
Cross the bridge, and grab the first Left. Park on the street. From the river, you'll see the
takeout as a flatwater spot just after a large industrial plant on River Right.
Note: this reach used to be described as "Watertown to Dexter." Rafters might paddle all the way to Dexter, butt kayakers always take out at Brownville.
Lat / Longitude data are verified by GPS.
Check out the article in Gorp.com. Also see the short description in the CNY site.(Clicking will open up
a new browser window.)
Safety Warning and description of Knife's Edge Rapid
by Bridog, posted to the Northeast Paddlers' Massage
Board:
Knife's Edge is the first significant rapid that you encounter as you paddle downriver from Hole Brothers. You will find it approximately 200 yards downstream from the Interstate-81 bridge. There are numerous eddies on both river left and river right, including a "last chance" eddy on river left right at the top of the drop. The left side works for portaging/scouting at ALL levels, and the right side generally works in the summertime.
The rapid is basically a shallow fast section with a bit of gradient, and 3 "ledges". Depending on water level, boaters will choose different lines.
High Water (>5000 cfs): You can run "Right-right-right" (river right side, all 3 drops. The last drop will have a large/powerful hole (Mary's Hole) (or is it MERRY's Hole?). Just hug the stone wall on river right and you'll have no problem.
Medium Water (2000-5000 cfs): You can run "True Path" or "B-line Skate". Both routes start the same: Run the 1st drop either all the way left or at the "point" formed by the two diagonal ledges, or anywhere in between. At low levels, the point may be best because it won't be as scrapey. The 2nd ledge forms a wave/hole in river center. You'll want to sneak by it on the river-left side. Once past it, you can make a choice: Ferry over to the river right side and run the 3rd drop river-right of Mary's Hole (B line skate), or run True Path. To run True Path, you are essentially "threading the needle" between 2 hydraulics: The diagonal extending out from river left, and Mary's Hole in river center. It will look like there is a wide and easy pathway between the two, but that is where this pinning hazard is located. So you'll want to clip the corner (right side) of that diagonal coming out from the left (known as the Heater), or just miss it. Get too far river-right, and you potentially could get hurt.
You won't want to run all the way right (Right-right-right) at these medium levels - very scrapey over there.
Low water (<2000 cfs): There aren't a lot of choices, because there isn't a lot of water. You won't be able to run B-line skate, because there's no water over there. You can definitely run True Path, and you can even punch a pretty big piece of the Heater, because at low water, it isn't that burly of a hole (still powerful though, so T-up, and paddle like you mean it!). Another option at these lower flows is to run right over the "point" of the last ledge, essentially into the meat of Mary's Hole. That hole isn't so ugly at low water, and you can actually boof off that ledge and skip over the foam pile.
IMPORTANT: Downstream of the 3rd ledge-drop on the river left shore, there is a significant undercut. Known as "Shaw's Wall," this is a spot to avoid. If you have run True Path, you will be headed right for it, so make sure to either: (A) Catch the eddy on river left ABOVE Shaw's Wall, or to (B) paddle to the right aggressively to avoid that spot.
Sorry if that was long-winded, but I wanted to clear the air about that rapid - every single time I take a paddler down the Black for their first time, they are positively FREAKED out by Knife's Edge. It is a FUN rapid for a competent intermediate paddler that has good boat control. Try to run it with someone who knows it and can show you the lines, and don't get too worked up. Just recognize the hazards, most importantly this pinning hazard to the right of True Path (in the 3rd drop), and the undercut wall downstream. Beyond those 2, there isn't a lot there to really ruin your day.
Thanks, Bridog! You da boater!
The Black has releases all through the summer, for rafting trips. Kayakers can surf off those releases for a run down the river.
The scheduled releases occur roughly halfway down the run, in the vicinity of Glen Park Falls. Therefore, one can put in about an hour before the beginning of the scheduled release. Don't hang out and play too long, or else you'll run out of water below Glen Park Falls.
There is usually a special release on the Friday of Moose Festival weekend, from 11 AM-1 PM.
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| When | River/Gauge | Subject | Level | Reporter |
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| Black [NY] |
ICS |
15,000 CFS | Jim Dobbins | |
| Black [ny] |
Black, Hole Brothers |
1800 cfs | simon wiles | |
| Black [NY] |
Black, Jon Runs knife Edge |
1800 cfs | simon wiles | |
| Black River [NY] |
Working Out at Hole Brothers |
n/a | Shawn Casey | |
| Black River [NY] |
Surfing Hole Brothers |
n/a | Neil Cowley | |
| Black River [NY] |
Paradise at Hole Brothers |
n/a | Harry A. Marinakis, M.D. | |
| 1y139d16h40m | Black [NY] |
The Poop Chute |
1700 cfs | Matt Muir |
| 2y110d16h40m | Black River [NY] |
Stay away from Molly's Crack |
1200 cfs | Jim Dobbins |
| 2y138d16h40m | Black [NY] |
Molly's Crack |
1980 cfs | Matt Muir |
| 2y358d00h40m | Black [NY] |
Black River (NY) Map |
n/a | Matt Muir |
| 3y37d00h40m | Black [ny] |
Inner City Strife 2006 |
15,000 cfs | Jim Dobbins |
| 3y98d00h40m | Black [ny] |
Back surfing on Hole Brothers |
n/a | Shawn Duffy |
| 4y215d00h40m | Black [NY] |
inner city |
12,000 CFS | Michael Klein |
| 6y262d00h40m | Black River [NY] |
Hole Bros |
2300 | Matt Husted |
| 7y120d00h40m | Black River [NY] |
Holes Brothers |
n/a | Christopher Wagener |
| 8y29d00h40m | Black [NY] |
Glen Park Falls |
2000 cfs | Matt Muir |
| 8y29d00h40m | Black River [NY] |
Knife's Edge on the Black, NY |
2000 cfs | Matt Muir |
| > 10 years | Black [NY] |
Knifes Edge 6000 cfs |
6000 CFS | Brad Roberts |
| Mile | Rapid Name | Class | Features (Legend) |
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| 0.0 | ARO Putin | ||
| 0.2 | Hole Brothers | III | |
| 1.8 | Knife Edge | IV | |
| 2.3 | Inner City Strife | IV | |
| 2.8 | Glen Park Falls | IV+ | |
| 3.2 | Square Rock | III | |
| 3.4 | Cruncher | III+ | |
| 3.6 | Rocket Ride / Poop Chute | II | |
| 4.1 | Shave & a Haircut | III | |
| 4.8 | Takeout |
The Rocket Ride, a sloping drop across an old dam, covers most of the river. It's so scary, you'd better run it backwards. The Poop Chute is a narrow and squirrelly line on the right. Try to run it upright, and don't get mashed up against the Wailing Wall below.
User Comments
it is entirely possible to run it higher. At these levels Knife's Edge's right side opens up on the
bottom and is a very manageable move for capable boaters. The only major hazard is rocket-ride
which becomes a low-head dam. Portage on river left or run Poop-Shoot. Edit
to. I'm sure if you ask nicely (bring PBR) they'd let you put in. The outfitter further up is not
as receptive to private boaters using their put-in, which in my opinion is a little cruel
considering that is the only sane access point to run Club House Turn and Burn's Wall. It's also
bogus that they told someone the Black River is not open to private rafts. Private boaters are not
only welcome on the Black, but more should make their way up to paddle this gem that has reliable
flows throughout the year. It's impressive that you made it down Great Falls solo in a raft, I've
never heard of anyone else doing that. If ever you are in need of beta for the Black, stop by the
rafting bases, the other ones I mean...
river going on close to 30 years. It is their property, and private at that. I am sure if you had
called them prior to trying to go and do it yourself they you could have saved yourself a hard
time. The people of Watertown and the business that are there are very appreciative of boaters and
anyone who would like to boat on this gem of a river. The park the town was refering to was Glen
Park Dam and that is open to anyone. Edit
Watertown parks and rec office informed me that I could put in at the Waterworks Park. Mistake BAD
INFO! There are some good rapids above Hole Brothers but they forgot to mention the 3 dams! 1st one
was runnable, the 2nd was death with a hell of a portage and the third was good solo. But with
people in the boat it would have been a train-wreck nightmare. It may also be illegal not sure but
it was fun. It would have better in a kayak and a severe pain to portage with a raft. After the
drop my crew had to move quickly to get back to the raft via the not-so-friendly raft company
put-in. AWA's website states that you could go up stream from Hole Brothers and put in at a local
rafting shop. Wrong! They were not very friendly. Called the company earlier in the week and they
told me that I could not use it. They also informed me the Black river was not open to private
rafts. This is a decent river that has been badly scarred by man. Be prepared to portage 2-3 dams
and interact with sketchy not-so-friendly people. Oh yeah long flat, no current paddle out… It is a
nice stretch of water and worth the trip. FYI Edit
that. I don't think that a absolute bottom has been reached. Granted it's less challenging, but a
creative boater could find ways to amuse oneself.
Oregon tuck position. Cruncher is a fun rapid and opens to a large pool so if you happen to swim
there should be plenty of people in the pool to help clean up your mess. It makes for a great show
for the rafters.