Big Run - Savannah Road to Shenango River


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Savannah Road to Shenango River (Cascade Park)

Usual Difficulty III-IV (may vary with level)
Avg. Gradient 50 fpm
Max Gradient 75 fpm

Big Run Main Drop


Big Run Main Drop
Photo taken 4-4-2000 @ 5'+

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
Muddy Creek near Portersville, PA
usgs-03106300 250 - 1000 cfs III-IV 02h03m 22 cfs (rc= -0.3 )


River Description

Possibly the coolest creek I have seen for scenery. Obstacles include rollercoaster tracks and bridges.
For Slip locals, this creek is within close proximity, and the legality, while not certain, has not been a problem like it has on Muddy Creek. Plus, as one of the pictures shows, some of the drops are right at bridges, making multiple runs possible.


Dave Woten wrote:

We parked in the park and quickly ran to scout. Boats were unloaded, camera set, and we began to huck. We were a little nervous because it was posted "no trespassing." We were not sure if they were covering liability or seriously enforcing this post. We slid down a little cascade then off the big drop just above the roller coaster pilings. Craig Wood ran it, I ran it, then Craig went back for more. We loaded and drove down the street to change (deciding to leave the scene of the crime quickly). This was on 4/4/2000. Slippery Rock was above 5'. I believe this drop would be runnable anytime the Slip shoots up several (3 or more) feet or surpasses 5'. I opted to land just to the left of the mushroom because I didn't ever see it dry to know what caused it. A week or 2 before we ran it, it was measured with a throw rope at 22'-23'.


As for the creek running, my guess is that it runs maybe 4-5 times a year--either with an epic fall/summer rain, like Hurricane Ivan, or during spring snowmelt following a rainstorm with a few inches of rain. Based on my assumptions of gauge correlations with Muddy Creek and Slippery Rock, the Muddy gauge needs to be at 250 and rising. It has done this maybe 5-10 times within the last two years, you can check that out at the USGS site.

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/pa/nwis/dv?format=gif&period=730&site_no=03106300

Good luck, and if you get any more beta let me know, I'll add it to the site.

Lat/longitude coords of the putin are a very rough guess. Anyone who has better beta on this run (such as, the name of the road that the putin is on): please add a comment to help us out!

For info on the park that this crick runs through, click here.


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Last Updated: 2009-06-11 14:03:52

Jason on the falls at Cascade Park

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A Few Obstacles

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Some More Obstacles

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Tallest Drop

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Upper Falls

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Slide

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Big Run Main Drop

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Big Run Main Drop

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Big Run Main Drop

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Gauge Information

Gauge Description:

Gauge is on a steam of similiar size and drainage about 15 miles away. Muddy should be be rising when read.

Another gauge is the slip gauge at wurtemburg, which should be rising and near 5' according to Dave Woten.

Check out that gauge here: http://wmw.lrp.usace.army.mil/current/bo.html

Also, another source can be the AFWS, use Butler and Venango County to see how heavy the rain is hitting.

http://www.afws.net/states/pa/pa.htm

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
Muddy Creek near Portersville, PA
usgs-03106300 250 - 1000 cfs III-IV 02h03m 22 cfs (rc= -0.3 )

RangeWater LevelDifficultyComment
250 -1000 cfs barely runnable-high runnable III-IV The upper limit is a bit of a SWAG, based in part on the USGS site which shows a max recorded flow of 1700 cfs.

Report - Reports of Big Run Savannah Road to Shenango River and related gauges

Reports give the public a chance to report on river conditions throughout the country as well as log the history of a river.

Reports

When River/Gauge Subject Level Reporter
Big Run [PA] Big Run Main Drop 5'+ Chris Preperato
Big Run [PA] Some More Obstacles n/a Chris Preperato
1y248d08h03m @Big Run Savannah Road to Shenango River [PA] Jason Running the falls at Cascade Park n/a n/a

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User Comments


2006-10-26 05:44:19 (1124 days ago)
Brad RobertsDetails
From Rich Yester: By the way, Big Run near New Castle is finally listed. I think that I was the
second or third to run the big falls. That's the one on Thunderballs that we call Big Beaver Falls.
First decent was made by Craig Wood. He's the one who told me about it, but since has hurt his back
and I don't believe that he boats any longer.
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