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2006-08-06 02:39:47 (796 days ago)
Chris Gorman
I have a video of big panther from the summer of 05 on my site<br />
http://www.AutoBoofProductions.com
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2005-11-29 20:28:38 (1045 days ago)
Chris Gorman
I have a video of big panther from the summer of 05 on my site<br />
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/cdgorman/index.html
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2005-06-14 13:24:34 (1214 days ago)
Robert Maxwell
The gage for Big Panther Creek is located on the 441 Old Historic Hwy culvert, upstream river right. In short, its the culvert downstream of the "white pvc pipe" most people have been using to gage the creek. <br />
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You’ll have to pull into the Big Panther Creek trail parking lot and walk down to the culvert to see the painted gage. <br />
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3.5" BELOW the white pvc pipe is 7" on the painted gage. This is a good minimum for the run. 8" BELOW the white pvc pipe, as stated above, would be a dry creek bed. I strongly advise against running it this low.<br />
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(4" below the white pvc pipe is 6" on the painted gage.) <br />
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From time to time, the 441 Old Historic Hwy culvert might have a channel blocked by logs. This has only a minimal effect on the painted gage. One blocked channel raises the water by an inch or two around the painted gage. So its still a very accurate gage for the creek.
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2005-06-14 13:22:43 (1214 days ago)
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2005-06-13 01:09:45 (1215 days ago)
Brad Roberts
What happened to the rapid descriptions?
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2004-09-18 22:05:23 (1482 days ago)
Brian Jones
We just ran this today (9/18/2004). I'm going to strongly disagree with Sutton's minimum and mildly disagree with Robert's: I would consider 12" on the painted gauge a minimum (this would correspond to a level about even with the above-mentioned PVC pipe). You're going to be battling alot of wood (portages and sketchy limbo maneuvers) and rhododendron in the first 2 miles, and to make that worth your time you'll want enough water on the few rapids downstream. Otherwise, it's class II - III shoals the whole way (frustratingly shallow). The slides are fun, but the big boof needed more water and the boulder gardens would definitely benefit from the reduced pinning potential afforded by more water. Have fun, and let us all know what you think.
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2004-09-12 12:02:41 (1489 days ago)
Sutton Bacon
Ran BPC last week when the Chattooga the day after Chattooga crested at a little over 9 feet the night before. It was about 2 inches under the PVC pipe when we put on. It was super-fun. Here are some details. First, the shuttle is truly around-the-world. You'll spend at least 45 minutes one way. This run is truly best if you have a bunny to help. Thanks to some Athens boaters, there is now a beeline through the trees from the parking area all the way down to where the river clears out at the footbridge. It's not very wide, but it will do with some prudent ducking of rhodo. Also, the big drop under the cliff wall will hopefully be cleaned out soon -- making it the best rapid on the river -- 10 foot total double boof thing into a long around the corner slide under a cliff wall into a big hole and two good ledges immediately below. I cant wait to run this thing. Almost did even with the wood, but a mistake at the bottom would have been costly. The river opens up at the campground on the left and the footbridge. After that, you reach the first rapid, a long slide with an obvious horizon line. It's good to go, just dont go too far left and end up in the trees or too far right and end up in the undercut. Left center all the way down will be fine. After that, you'll get some creeky rapids down to the falls. You will see a narrowing of the river through a 15-foot slot with a major horizon line below. That's the falls. Start the portage before the entrance slide to be safe. Carry right. After the falls, you'll see some more great little creeky rapids until you reach the boof. 5-6 foot steep but not vertical slide into a small moving pool and right down the pipe over a perfectly clean 10-footer. Super fun. After that you'll see another horizon line. This is Automatic for the People. You should probably scout left to check out the tree situation, though the scout trail (or lack thereof) sucks. Go left of center with a little right angle down over the double boof and boogie right at the bottom to avoid the tree in the washout. Until it's gone, might consider placing a buddy down there on the tree just in case. The rapid is fine, looks a lot tougher than it actually is (and a lot easier than the portage trail). The next rapid immediately downstream is a fun slide with a tricky entrance and a major piton rock at the bottom right waiting for any stray boaters. Boof left with some good lefthand momentum to be sure to clear the ugly piton rock at the bottom right. If you hit it right, it’s a really smooth ride. The rest is creeky Class II and III washout until it drops down to Class I-II washout. Takeout at the steel bridge. It's a pretty long run and if you get on late, it's possible to get stuck in the bottom run-out after dark. Taking out at the bridge is the best guarantee you'll find your car after dark. I know this from experience. Overall, I would call BPC a high-quality Class IV-IV+ creek with Automatic-and slide immediately below sequence and the rapid under the cliff deserving a V. Obviously, I’m not counting the falls. I think it perfectly fills the elusive in-between Tallulah and Green territory if you can catch it with good water and it should definitely be run much more often. As for water levels, I could stand even a little more water. I’d probably run it up to about two inches over the pipe and down to about six below. I ran it once at 12” below the pipe and had a miserable day. Six below should be considered the reasonable minimum. While it is still definitely a high-water paddle this when everything else is blown out kind of run, I am betting that it runs more often than we think but with a pretty small window of opportunity. Definitely worth the quick driveby if you are heading to Clayton or Tallulah and there has been a heavy recent downpour. The only problem with getting on and off in a hurry is the shuttle. Overall, it’s a beautiful wilderness run that rivals even Overflow in scenery in some places. Highly recommend – with good water, that is.
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2004-07-08 10:33:24 (1555 days ago)
Alex Harvey
Recently talked to a fellow who had run Panther before, he said that what we tentatively called Automatic is really called Bootcamp and that the 10-footer preceded by a small slide is called Combat. He said that Bootcamp was one continuous drop at the level they ran it. I forgot to ask if the falls had been run yet.
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2003-07-20 20:46:01 (1908 days ago)
will reeves
Panther Creek appeared to be running this afternoon after a heavy thunderstorm. The water was rising at about 3 inches a min. So this stream can come up in a hurry even if the Chattooga is less than 4 feet.
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2003-06-10 21:18:09 (1948 days ago)
Brad Roberts
2003-06-10 02:04:18
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Recently the Chattooga went over 4 feet, Upper tallulah hit 1000 cfs, and overflow hit 2.9 - but panther was still low. To quote one person who has run it "panther takes a butt load of water"
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. Seems that Will and the boys did get a run of it in.
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2002-11-17 00:49:28 (2154 days ago)
Brad Roberts
There is a parking area off Old Hwy 441 for the Panther creek trailhead that can be used as a put-in.
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