Rogue, North Fork

I'm going to take exception to the new 4+ rating you guys give this run and Karma. Most locals consider the Mill Ck. section below the Mill Ck. falls and Takilma gorge 4+ and with this run considerably easier and less dangerous, it should be rated class 4. No doubt at flows over a 1,000cfs Karma gets some push and probably deserves it's 4+ rating given in the rapids section, I would go even a little further and say over 1,500cfs Karma might be low class 5 (at least it looks like class 5 as I walk it at that flow). But most of the boating done on this section (I'd bet over 90%) are at summer flows of 400 to 800cfs and a class 4 or 4- rating for both karma and the run in general are more in line with it's difficulty at those flows. As for the run; sure you can make it class 5 by running the put-in rapid and Knob falls, but in the 100 or so times I've been down this run, I've seen the put-in rapid run around 20 times (and usually by the same people) and Knob Falls never. The point being; this is a class 4 run with an optional class 5 and a portage in my book.