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Difficulty II-III+
Length 6.5 Miles
Gauge RONDOUT CREEK NEAR LOWES CORNERS NY
Flow Range 600 - 2000 CFS
Flow Rate as of: 2 hours ago 26.6 [CFS]
Reach Info Last Updated 04/26/2016 1:23 pm

River Description


James DoughertyDetails

 I listed the length of the run as 6.5. This is if you take out in Sundown but I'm not sure of the parking situation there. There is a large parking lot on the left 1.5 miles from Sundown heading south, (intersection of 153, 42, and 46) but there is a "no trespassing" sign there but I doubt the validity of this sign and intend to ask authorities. About 0.4 further down from there is  gage USGS # 0135000 (this is not the one I used to alert you of the minimum, see details at 'gage description). Driving north on rte 42, Peekamoose road from Sundown and probably a bit less than two miles you'll see an legal parking spot. Using this parking spot shortens your paddle to about 4.5 miles and probably the best part. With a permit you can camp there.
 There are many places for parking since you are at what is known as Sundown Wild Forest and further up Sundown Wild Forest on your right  and Slide Mountain Wilderness Area on your left (this is if you are headed upstream). Go as far as you are still on State land before you see posted signs, maybe a mile past Buttermilk Falls which will be on your left. Put in where it looks good. Just FYI, As you go up said road you'll eventally discover the creek drops down from the mountain. There's no road up that way and it's not state land. Up that way is USGS gage # 01364959 (which is what I'm using to alert you of the minimum, 75cfs). Oddly, it seems snow melt as a bigger impact on this creek than rain so if there's snow followed by warm weather, this might go up when other things do not. 
 Another thing about this is although you are alongside a road, on a weekday there's barely any traffic (although on nice day weekdays there will probably be a lot of hikers) and it is incredibly beautiful. When you come here, it will remind you nothing of Rondout River in Rosendale, which comes after the Reservoir. This upper section is a true creek, narrow channel and a very fair amount of gradient. Word of caution: I have not seen it at high water but I imagine this can easily become a CL4. The good thing is you can scout the whole thing from your car and getting out a few times to get a better look.
 
Rapids, play spots and hazards: I can't really describe each rapid since it's so continuous. Word of caution: Blue hole (hole as in a swimming hole) which is 0.8 downstream from a creek-right  falls (Buttermilk Falls?) might be undercut. As you drop down to the pool there's a shelf on you left. It might not be a problem, but it looks undercut stay pointed right until it's character is known. Of greater importance the last two hikers parking (lower Peekamoose parking) you see that the creek splits in two. The right looks more fun but there is a tree sticking out on the right, then a few feet after that there's one on the left therefore demanding a quick S turn. If in doubt, scout. The two lower parking lots are connected. Walk the trail from one to another and you'll see it or just eddy out above/on the island. Below the last parking there might be a play-hole at higher levels on the left.
 
 Bonus: If you're not sure it will be up bring along your daypack. There's excellent hiking. You can hike up to Peekamoose, 3.90 miles which reaches 3,847 ft, making for almost an 8-mile hike up and back. You could also run a shuttle and park the 'take out' car at the north end of Denning Road to make for almost a 9 mile hike. When we went up, there were patches of snow where we started but a good 2 and a half inches up at the top. For good hiking maps of the area, you can purchase it here: www.nynjtc.org  get the Catskills trail maps. 
 
  If there isn't enough rain but you wish to scout bring your non-paddling better half with you. She/he would probably enjoy the scenery. They're bound to enjoy Buttermilk Falls, which is not the Rondout but a tributary, Buttermilk Falls Brook. Also, there's a spot on the Rondout called 'blue hole' by locals. I think it's 0.8 of a mile south from Buttermilk Falls, it will be on your right if driving south. Blue hole is where the Rondout all of the sudden becomes 20 to 30 ft and it's sort of a jade/blue in color and you can see the bottom making me believe this creek must be really clean. Looks like it would be a great place to swim (although cold I bet) in the summer. There's also a small spot on left side (left side if you're driving downstream) of the road just downstream of blue hole where you can park one car, I doubt two will fit.
 Just for a fun: you can read about this section all all of the Roundout creek here;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondout_Creek
 
 

 

Catskills Area Reaches

Basic Creek                               Batavia Kill                                    Bear Kill 

Beaver Kill (Delaware Trib)       Beaver Kill (Hudson Trib)              Beer Kill 

Beer Kill, W. Branch                  Bowery Creek                                Bush Kill 

Callicoon Creek, E. Branch       Callicoon Creek, N. Branch           Catskill Creek (1.) 

Catskill Creek (2.)                     Catskill Creek (4.)                          Claverack Creek 

Coxing Kill                                 Delaware                                       Delaware, E. Branch 

Delaware, W. Branch                Little Delaware                               Dry Brook 

East Kill                                     Esopus Creek (1)                           Esopus Creek (2) 

Esopus Creek (3)                      Esopus Creek (4)                           Esopus Creek (5) 

Hannacrois Creek                     Kaaterskill Creek (1.)                     Kaaterskill Creek (2.) 

Kinderhook Creek  (3.)              Kiskatom Creek                             Mombaccus Creek 

Mill Brook                                   Neversink (1.)                               Neversink, E. Branch 

Neversink, W. Branch                 Peters Kill                                     Platte Kill 

Plattekill Creek                            Potic Creek                                  Roeliff Jansen Kill (1) 

Roeliff Jansen Kill (2)                  Rochester Creek                          Rondout Creek (1) 

Rondout Creek (2)                     Rondout Creek (3)                        Sandburg Creek 

Saw Kill (1)                                 Saw Kill (2)                                    Saw Kill (3) 

Schoharie Creek (1.)                  Schoharie Creek (2.)                    Shingle Kill Creek 

Squirmer Creek                          Stony Clove Creek                        Ten Mile Creek 

Thorp Creek                               Tremper Kill                                   Wallkill 

West Kill                                      Woodland Creek                            Vly Creek 

 

 

Downstate New York Area Reaches

Beer Kill                                          Beer Kill, W. Branch   

Callicoon Creek, E. Branch            Callicoon Creek, N. Branch 

Coxing Kill                                      Croton 

Delaware (1.)                                 Delaware (2. Mongaup Wave)

Delaware (3.)                                 Fishkill Creek 

Mombaccus Creek                         Mongaup 

Moodna Creek                               Neversink (1.) 

Neversink (2.)                                Neversink, E. Branch  

Peters Kill                                       Pocantico 

Popolopen Brook                           Ramapo 

Rochester Creek                            Rondout Creek (1.) 

Rondout Creek (2.)                        Rondout Creek (3.) 

Sandburg Creek                             Stony Brook (1.) 

Stony Brook (2.)                             Wallkill 

Wappinger Creek

 

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Cameron Klinger
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8 years ago

A group of us ran this on 09/09/2011. The level at Rondout Cr near Lowes Corner was 650 cfs / 1.89’. This was a low but runnable level. Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee have turned this river into a mess. The shuttle road had one lane washed out in many places. This may cause access issues while this road is being repaired. There were many trees in the river and we encountered 5 required portages. Other rapids had trees in most of the flow. Despite all this, the run was completely worth dealing with the extra wood. This river was very scenic and had many beautiful waterfalls dropping in from the sides. It also had a very remote feel even though the road was not far away.

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Steve McLuckie
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8 years ago

The listed gauge was discontinued about a year ago. The next gauge downstream ( http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv/?site_no=01365000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060 ) is at Lowes Corners. It includes flow from another stream and won't correlate perfectly with the old gauge, but figure 600 CFS is about minimum.

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James Dougherty
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11 years ago

I decided to add this since what was here was less than useful. Better info to come when I better understand how to use the 'tools' provided by AW and when I become more intimate with a creek I consider a gem. First off, I listed it as 6.5. This is if you take out in Sundown but I'm not sure of the parking situation there. Driving north on rte 42, peekamoose road from Sundown and probably a bit less than two miles you'll see an offical spot. Using this parking spot shortens your paddle to about 4 miles and probably the best part. There are many places for parking since you are what is know as Sundown Wild Forest and further up Sundown Wild Forest on your right (south) and Slide Mountain Wilderness Area on your left (north). Go as far as you are still on State land before you see posted signs, mabe a mile passed Buttermilk falls which will be on your left. Here's a little I can tell you. I was up there on 11/12/07 and nothing was running. The Beerkill/West Beerkill under rte 209 was really low but the Upper Roundout I could have hucked down although with much scraping, getting stuck and cursing with periods of joy. This leads me to believe it may run when other things are not. Another thing about this is although you are along side a road, on a weekday there's bearly any traffic (although on nice day weekdays there will probably be a lot of hikers) and it is incredibly beautiful. When you come here, it will remind you nothing of Roundout river in Rosendale which comes after the Reservoir. This upper section is a true creek, narrow channel and a very fair amount of gradient. Word of caution: I have not seen it at high water but I imagine this can easily become a CL4. The good thing is you can scout the whole thing from your car and getting out a few times to get a better look. Bonus: If your not sure it will be up bring along your daypack. There's excellent hiking. You can hike up to peekamoose, 3.90 miles which reaches 3,847 ft or run a shuttle and park the 'take out' car at the north end of Denning road to make for almost a 9 mile hike. When we went up, there were patches of snow where we started but a good 2 and a half inches up at the top. If there isnt enough rain but you wish to scout bring your non-paddling better half with you. She/he would probably enjoy the scenery. They're bound to enjoy Buttermilk falls, which is not the Roundout but a tributary, Buttermilk Falls Brook. Also, there"s a spot on the Roundout it self called 'blue hole' by locals.I think it's just upstream from Buttermilk falls, it will be on your right if driving north. This is where the Roundout all of the sudden becomes 20 to 30 ft and it's sort of a jade/blue in color and you can see the bottom making me believe this creek must be really clean. Looks like it would be a great place to swim (although cold I bet) in the summer.

Gage Descriptions

 

  Dennis Squires said in his book (if ya don't have it, buy his book), Roundout/peekamoose has to be over 75 cfs.  I believe he was referring to:  http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv/?site_no=01364959&agency_cd=USGS

   You can also click here:          http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv/?site_no=01365000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060  for another gage that will be downstream of your take out. There will be a considerable difference between the two gages.

 The reason for this is that the first one I listed (USGS # 01364959) is way upstream, I never seen it. A map shows no roads to it, and both maps I have, venture out maps: www.vomaos.com  and a hikers map from NYNJ trail conference, www.nynjtc.com  ,shows that it is not on state land. This is the one I used to color hyphen when it reaches minimum. Dennis Squires in his book NY exposed vol 2 says when this gage reaches 75 cfs but I can not say yet this is right (but I believe him). Pass the parking spot you can use the Rondout drops from the left (if you're driving north) where it is really small. It's up that way.

  However, the other gage ( USGS #01365000) I listed downstream from the the take-out(s).  75 cfs on this gage is way insufficient. I was there at a gage reading of 2.70 ft, 248cfs and it was a kayak assisted hike, power to the knockels. I'm guessing 3.20 ft might be an acceptable minimum. I'm going to wait untill it hits 3.40 before I make the drive again. So far, this is guess work.

  In any case, this gage is located on 153 approximatley two miles south of Sundown where 42 become 153, a mile north of the Rondout Reservoir.

 This is obviously a different gage that was used here before which was the Rondout at Rosendale which is after the Reservoir and quite a way downstream from here. Also  I was up there on 11/12/07 and nothing was running. The Beerkill/West Beerkill under rte 209 was really low, so low I could've stood in it and barely get my ankles wet. On the other hand,  Upper Rondout I could have hucked down although with much scraping, getting stuck and cursing with periods of joy. This leads me to believe it may run when other things are not. 

 Warning: at high water this may become a CL4. The good news is it is easy to car-scout. 

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Directions Description


 From the north, 87 south (NY thruway) get off at the Kingston exit and take 28 west. Bear left onto 28A west. Turn left onto 42 south (Peekamoose road). You will soon see parking. Unload you boats and shuttle to the take out, same road. Or, to lengthen your trip, head down a little further to 153 and see if you can find a place to park.


 From the south, 87 north (NY thruway) get off at the New Palts exit. make a left on 299(west) to 44/55 west to 209. Make a left on 209 (south/west) to 55 . Make a right on 55 and then bear right onto 55A to 153.  Right on 153 and follow direction below from 153.


 From 17, future 86 (how many yrs have they been saying that?): Get off the Liberty exit 107 and take 161 north. Turn right on 42 north Grahamsville. Bear left onto 55A and very shortly you take 153 north. Keep your eye out for the USGS gage on your right just after you pass E mtn rd. Soon you'll be at Sundown then continue onto 42 north (Peekamoose road). Put-in and take out on this road. DISCLAIMER: I'm fairly sure of my directions but I might not be 100 percent. Please bring any errors to my attention.


 Also, you can google the zipcode12782.

 GPS: Lat 41*51'59", long 74*29'15" is the location of said gage. Drive upstream to  takeout, further up for putin.

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