Rondout Creek - Sundown/Peekamoose Section


Rondout Creek, New York, US

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Sundown/Peekamoose Section (Upper Rondout creek)

Usual Difficulty II-III+ (for normal flows)
Length 6.5 Miles
Avg. Gradient 70 fpm

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
RONDOUT CREEK NEAR LOWES CORNERS NY
usgs-01365000 600 - 2000 cfs II-III+ 02h09m 1810 cfs (running)
RONDOUT CR ABOVE RED BROOK AT PEEKAMOOSE NY
usgs-01364959 75 - 600 cfs II-III+ 7y318d15h04m 28 cfs (too low)


River Description

James DoughertyDetails

 I listed the length of the run as 6.5. This is if you take out in Sundown but I'm not sure of the parking situation there. There is a large parking lot on the left 1.5 miles from Sundown heading south, (intersection of 153, 42, and 46) but there is a "no trespassing" sign there but I doubt the validity of this sign and intend to ask authorities. About 0.4 further down from there is  gage USGS # 0135000 (this is not the one I used to alert you of the minimum, see details at 'gage description). Driving north on rte 42, Peekamoose road from Sundown and probably a bit less than two miles you'll see an legal parking spot. Using this parking spot shortens your paddle to about 4.5 miles and probably the best part. With a permit you can camp there.
 There are many places for parking since you are at what is known as Sundown Wild Forest and further up Sundown Wild Forest on your right  and Slide Mountain Wilderness Area on your left (this is if you are headed upstream). Go as far as you are still on State land before you see posted signs, maybe a mile past Buttermilk Falls which will be on your left. Put in where it looks good. Just FYI, As you go up said road you'll eventally discover the creek drops down from the mountain. There's no road up that way and it's not state land. Up that way is USGS gage # 01364959 (which is what I'm using to alert you of the minimum, 75cfs). Oddly, it seems snow melt as a bigger impact on this creek than rain so if there's snow followed by warm weather, this might go up when other things do not. 
 Another thing about this is although you are alongside a road, on a weekday there's barely any traffic (although on nice day weekdays there will probably be a lot of hikers) and it is incredibly beautiful. When you come here, it will remind you nothing of Rondout River in Rosendale, which comes after the Reservoir. This upper section is a true creek, narrow channel and a very fair amount of gradient. Word of caution: I have not seen it at high water but I imagine this can easily become a CL4. The good thing is you can scout the whole thing from your car and getting out a few times to get a better look.
 
Rapids, play spots and hazards: I can't really describe each rapid since it's so continuous. Word of caution: Blue hole (hole as in a swimming hole) which is 0.8 downstream from a creek-right  falls (Buttermilk Falls?) might be undercut. As you drop down to the pool there's a shelf on you left. It might not be a problem, but it looks undercut stay pointed right until it's character is known. Of greater importance the last two hikers parking (lower Peekamoose parking) you see that the creek splits in two. The right looks more fun but there is a tree sticking out on the right, then a few feet after that there's one on the left therefore demanding a quick S turn. If in doubt, scout. The two lower parking lots are connected. Walk the trail from one to another and you'll see it or just eddy out above/on the island. Below the last parking there might be a play-hole at higher levels on the left.
 
 Bonus: If you're not sure it will be up bring along your daypack. There's excellent hiking. You can hike up to Peekamoose, 3.90 miles which reaches 3,847 ft, making for almost an 8-mile hike up and back. You could also run a shuttle and park the 'take out' car at the north end of Denning Road to make for almost a 9 mile hike. When we went up, there were patches of snow where we started but a good 2 and a half inches up at the top. For good hiking maps of the area, you can purchase it here: www.nynjtc.org  get the Catskills trail maps. 
 
  If there isn't enough rain but you wish to scout bring your non-paddling better half with you. She/he would probably enjoy the scenery. They're bound to enjoy Buttermilk Falls, which is not the Rondout but a tributary, Buttermilk Falls Brook. Also, there's a spot on the Rondout called 'blue hole' by locals. I think it's 0.8 of a mile south from Buttermilk Falls, it will be on your right if driving south. Blue hole is where the Rondout all of the sudden becomes 20 to 30 ft and it's sort of a jade/blue in color and you can see the bottom making me believe this creek must be really clean. Looks like it would be a great place to swim (although cold I bet) in the summer. There's also a small spot on left side (left side if you're driving downstream) of the road just downstream of blue hole where you can park one car, I doubt two will fit.
 Just for a fun: you can read about this section all all of the Roundout creek here;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondout_Creek
 
 

 

Catskills Area Reaches

Basic Creek                               Batavia Kill                                    Bear Kill 

Beaver Kill (Delaware Trib)       Beaver Kill (Hudson Trib)              Beer Kill 

Beer Kill, W. Branch                  Bowery Creek                                Bush Kill 

Callicoon Creek, E. Branch       Callicoon Creek, N. Branch           Catskill Creek (1.) 

Catskill Creek (2.)                     Catskill Creek (4.)                          Claverack Creek 

Coxing Kill                                 Delaware                                       Delaware, E. Branch 

Delaware, W. Branch                Little Delaware                               Dry Brook 

East Kill                                     Esopus Creek (1)                           Esopus Creek (2) 

Esopus Creek (3)                      Esopus Creek (4)                           Esopus Creek (5) 

Hannacrois Creek                     Kaaterskill Creek (1.)                     Kaaterskill Creek (2.) 

Kinderhook Creek  (3.)              Kiskatom Creek                             Mombaccus Creek 

Mill Brook                                   Neversink (1.)                               Neversink, E. Branch 

Neversink, W. Branch                 Peters Kill                                     Platte Kill 

Plattekill Creek                            Potic Creek                                  Roeliff Jansen Kill (1) 

Roeliff Jansen Kill (2)                  Rochester Creek                          Rondout Creek (1) 

Rondout Creek (2)                     Rondout Creek (3)                        Sandburg Creek 

Saw Kill (1)                                 Saw Kill (2)                                    Saw Kill (3) 

Schoharie Creek (1.)                  Schoharie Creek (2.)                    Shingle Kill Creek 

Squirmer Creek                          Stony Clove Creek                        Ten Mile Creek 

Thorp Creek                               Tremper Kill                                   Wallkill 

West Kill                                      Woodland Creek                            Vly Creek 

 

 

Downstate New York Area Reaches

Beer Kill                                          Beer Kill, W. Branch   

Callicoon Creek, E. Branch            Callicoon Creek, N. Branch 

Coxing Kill                                      Croton 

Delaware (1.)                                 Delaware (2. Mongaup Wave)

Delaware (3.)                                 Fishkill Creek 

Mombaccus Creek                         Mongaup 

Moodna Creek                               Neversink (1.) 

Neversink (2.)                                Neversink, E. Branch  

Peters Kill                                       Pocantico 

Popolopen Brook                           Ramapo 

Rochester Creek                            Rondout Creek (1.) 

Rondout Creek (2.)                        Rondout Creek (3.) 

Sandburg Creek                             Stony Brook (1.) 

Stony Brook (2.)                             Wallkill 

Wappinger Creek

 

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September 11 2011 (2532 days ago)
Cameron KlingerDetails
A group of us ran this on 09/09/2011. The level at Rondout Cr near Lowes Corner was 650 cfs /
1.89'. This was a low but runnable level. Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee have turned this
river into a mess. The shuttle road had one lane washed out in many places. This may cause access
issues while this road is being repaired. There were many trees in the river and we encountered 5
required portages. Other rapids had trees in most of the flow. Despite all this, the run was
completely worth dealing with the extra wood. This river was very scenic and had many beautiful
waterfalls dropping in from the sides. It also had a very remote feel even though the road was not
far away.
September 10 2011 (2533 days ago)
Steve McLuckieDetails
The listed gauge was discontinued about a year ago. The next gauge downstream (
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv/?site_no=01365000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060 ) is at Lowes
Corners. It includes flow from another stream and won't correlate perfectly with the old gauge, but
figure 600 CFS is about minimum.
December 2 2007 (3911 days ago)
James DoughertyDetails
I decided to add this since what was here was less than useful. Better info to come when I better
understand how to use the 'tools' provided by AW and when I become more intimate with a creek I
consider a gem. First off, I listed it as 6.5. This is if you take out in Sundown but I'm not sure
of the parking situation there. Driving north on rte 42, peekamoose road from Sundown and probably
a bit less than two miles you'll see an offical spot. Using this parking spot shortens your paddle
to about 4 miles and probably the best part. There are many places for parking since you are what
is know as Sundown Wild Forest and further up Sundown Wild Forest on your right (south) and Slide
Mountain Wilderness Area on your left (north). Go as far as you are still on State land before you
see posted signs, mabe a mile passed Buttermilk falls which will be on your left. Here's a little I
can tell you. I was up there on 11/12/07 and nothing was running. The Beerkill/West Beerkill under
rte 209 was really low but the Upper Roundout I could have hucked down although with much scraping,
getting stuck and cursing with periods of joy. This leads me to believe it may run when other
things are not. Another thing about this is although you are along side a road, on a weekday
there's bearly any traffic (although on nice day weekdays there will probably be a lot of hikers)
and it is incredibly beautiful. When you come here, it will remind you nothing of Roundout river in
Rosendale which comes after the Reservoir. This upper section is a true creek, narrow channel and a
very fair amount of gradient. Word of caution: I have not seen it at high water but I imagine this
can easily become a CL4. The good thing is you can scout the whole thing from your car and getting
out a few times to get a better look. Bonus: If your not sure it will be up bring along your
daypack. There's excellent hiking. You can hike up to peekamoose, 3.90 miles which reaches 3,847 ft
or run a shuttle and park the 'take out' car at the north end of Denning road to make for almost a
9 mile hike. When we went up, there were patches of snow where we started but a good 2 and a half
inches up at the top. If there isnt enough rain but you wish to scout bring your non-paddling
better half with you. She/he would probably enjoy the scenery. They're bound to enjoy Buttermilk
falls, which is not the Roundout but a tributary, Buttermilk Falls Brook. Also, there"s a spot on
the Roundout it self called 'blue hole' by locals.I think it's just upstream from Buttermilk falls,
it will be on your right if driving north. This is where the Roundout all of the sudden becomes 20
to 30 ft and it's sort of a jade/blue in color and you can see the bottom making me believe this
creek must be really clean. Looks like it would be a great place to swim (although cold I bet) in
the summer.


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